वाल्मीकि रामायण की झूठी कहानियाँ? रावण की लंका का असली राज़! | By Bala Sankuratri

Kaha jata hai Indians Ki tarafi, Sri Lanka Lanka ravan Ki nahi hai iska baseline tya hai. What is the baseline for that today's? Sri Lanka is 100% Ravana Lanka, there is no doubt about it. Lanka hamara say sau yojana durai 100 yojana. Do you mean that tree is spread across 1200 kilometers? We are doing the wrong interpretation of what Valmiki said in the Ramayana. He. Told about the four and Fiona of those days. He gives lot of astronomical celestial positions of those days, which means he's embedding the things. So he talks about the women freedom of those things. He talks about the taxation system. Of those things controversies came from that. You know is there any Lanka called Ravan's Lanka? But I want to know that there is Surya Siddhanta also which says that there is some geographical degrees or meridians. Which is mentioned in Surya Siddhanta that this passes through Meridian that passes through Lanka and North Pole will also hold the kingdoms of Kurukshetra, Rohtak and Avanti. So Avanti and Kurukshetras are lying on the Meridian that passes through North Pole and Lanka. There was number water between India and Lanka. This question is also very much I guess relevant with Ram Sethu also. Once Upon a time, there was land between India and Sri Lanka, no doubt about it. No doubt about it that between India and Sri Lanka there was land Once Upon a time. You see it, You know about the complete continental drift theory, right? So even at that time, India and Sri Lanka were always attached. The whole plate is moving together. So whole plate is moving together and it's also confirms that there is land between India and Sri Lanka. Hello and welcome to TOI Mantra mehu aapke saath bhavna Sharma Bharat or Lanka Ki duri kolekar ke hamesha say E bada Viva chahe hum baat kare Valmiki Ramayan Ki asuri siddhanthi aaj hum ISI vishwa par baat karenge or kafi hatik decode karniki koshish karenge kya akhir Kari rehase hai kya or AB Tak Sahi information johe bhopa hatchback hamare saath Jake bhati khas panelist hai. Bhati khas guest hai Bala sankurat 3 Sir sabse Pele to swagat hai aapka balaji. He's a director from Bharat Lanka Corporation and former convener Global Encyclopedia of the Ramayana. Sir, very warm welcome to the show. Namaste, Namaste. Thank you, TOI. Thank you, Balmaji. To Sir apne to iti sari cheesy B patni sari researchers be published Ki hai sabse Pele aapse samachna chahungi Jo vivad hai Jo lambe samese churta raha hai kaha jata hai Indians Ki tarafi Ki Sri Lanka, Lanka ravan Ki nahi hai iska baseline kya hai. What is the baseline for that? Well, if I have to give a one word answer or one phrase answer, today's Sri Lanka is 100% Ravana Lanka, there is no doubt about it. So I repeat it Aajka, Sri Lanka is Ravana Lanka, no doubt about it. Now the question comes why there are so much, so many confusions and how can we slowly decode them? So if I have to say then there are many many many reasons. For example, the first question what normally people have their have it in their mind is as per the Ramayana, be it Valmiki Ramayana or any other Ramayana Hamara say sau yojana durai 100 yojana durai. So and they have done some calculation and started saying a kyojinaka matlab 12 kilometers a so, so so yojna or 100 yojinas means 1200 kilometers. So distance between India and Sri Lanka is less than 40 kilometers around less than 35 kilometers. So then how can today's Sri Lanka be rawalanka? This is one of the point normally race in a very blurry and way. Let us try to decode that. See first of all Valmiki Maharshi use it usage of this savyojana that Sahastra yojana or Sheta yojana. Sahastra yojana means 1000 yojna and Sheta yojna means 100 yojna. This terminology is very often used in a poetic sense. It should not be taken as a literal sense. For example. So now when we are talking about Hanumanji crossing the ocean of 100 Yojnas, so let us go a little before, let us go a little before, during Aranyakanda when King Ravana is flying from Lanka to Dandakaranya with an intent of taking Sita away or abducting Sita away during that time. So when he is travelling in his aerial flight, he sees he he observes a massive tree on the ground and he says it's a massive tree and the lot of Saints, lot of rishis are doing their penance below that and lot of birds are taking shelter on that. And that tree is spread across 100 eogenas, is what Valmiki Maharshi explains. So what does it mean? You mean that tree is spread across 1200 kilometers, which doesn't make any sense? Yeah, you say across the poetry. You see, Valmiki has written it in the poetry format. So whenever he want to say it is big, he used the word Shetty yojana or 100 yojnas. Whenever he wants to say it's very big, he used the word Sasri ujna. So it should be taken more in a poetic way. It should not be taken literal literal. So that should be answering your question. Because if it is true that it is literally 100 usena, literally 1200 kilometers, then they should be a tree also which is spread across 1200 kilometers which means almost coming from Kashmir to Kanyakumar if this is wrong. So it should be taken more poetically. It should not be taken literally. So basically we are, yeah. So basically you are saying that we are doing the wrong interpretation of what Valmiki said in the Ramayana. Exactly. See basically Valmiki Maharshi has written why Valmiki's Ramayana is so popular. So the way he wrote the script itself is one of its kind. In those days, no one has written a script in that style or no one has composed the script in that style because in those days it's more of oral tradition. No one has composed the script in that style. So let me put your point. See if if you consider Ramayana to be the biography of Prabhu Sri Ram. Suppose today if if you or me or someone else wants to write a biography of anybody. So what we do, we try to travel with the person with whom we want to write the biography, get inspired of his deeds or her deeds and then start writing the biography. Or else if you are writing the biography of someone who is no more living with us, say example, Subhash Chandra Bose or someone. So then you try to understand the earlier writings of it or you try to go to the places where you have visited. You try to visit the his successors who are living today, try to talk some information and then you start writing the biography of it. But Marsha Walmiki has neither than any of these. He didn't. He didn't travel much with Ram, only once. He visited only once. The encounter happens during the travel, that's all. There is much explicit travel with Ram for Walmiki to write the story of Ram or and secondly, he is living in the contemporary time. He is living in the same era of the Ram. So for this, the answer is if you observe the first few slow casts. If you observe the first few slow casts of Valmiki Ramayan, Valmiki is searching for someone. He's searching for someone of this set qualities, superlative in everything, who is very handsome to look at, who is very courageous, who is very Dharma, who is very loyal, who is rightful, who doesn't get angry, generally is very calm. But if in case he gets the angry, even Devotas are scared of this kind of all superlative. And is there any person who's living today is what Maharshawalmiki is searching for? What does it mean? Which means he's searching for someone to write his story with an intent of something. Basically, he has already decided to write something. For him to write that something, what he has decided he needs a person of this qualities. He has decided to write something already. For him to write that something, he needs a person of this set qualities so that he can embed whatever he want to tell along with the story of this righteous person story. So now we all know that it is the story of Ram. So let us keep the story of Ram for a sight. Now let us understand what is that additional thing that Valmiki wants to say. Yeah, please. So what is that additional thing? What Valmiki want? So along with telling the story of Ram Valmiki has added the geography of those days. If you observe the Kishita Tanda Sanga 4040140243, the narration of the entire geography is there. Entire geography is there and you compare it with the modern modern age, it tallies mostly 7080% of it exactly tallies with the modern modern geography. So he about the four and Fiona of those days, he gives lot of astronomical celestial positions of those days which means he is embedding the things. So he talks about the women freedom of those days. He talks about the taxation system of those days. When when when Vishwamitra is teaching weaponry to Ram and Lakshman, all of a sudden he Valmiki divorce from the main topic and he only tells the different types of weapons for chapters together. So, but what? Yeah, Yeah. Please go on. That which means he's embedding the entire knowledge of those days into the story, which also means when if someone is reading or learning or listening into Ramayan, which means they are getting the basic education of those days. Today in the modern world, you say it up to some standard or 10th standard, the entire basic education is embedded into Ramayan. So he created an encyclopedia of those days. OK, so basically when you're reading, when you're reading Maharishi Valmiki's Rama and you're, you're having the knowledge of, you know, the flora and fauna and of course Bhagwan Ram as well and the inside story of that time, right? Yes, inside story of that time and even the history of those days, not only Ram story, you get the information of the people before Ramos. So he's making an encyclopty of those days. He revolutionized the education system. OK. But I'll, I'll come on to that point also that from where these differences came from and where these controversies came from that you know, is there any Lanka called Ravans Lanka? But I want to know that there is Surya Siddhanta also which says that there is some geographical degrees or meridians, right. So I want to know. I want to know that part also. Yes, good question Bhavanaji. See, this is one more place where people get confused. When they consider Suri Siddhanta, they immediately jump into more or less the conclusion that today's Sri Lanka is not Ravalanka. That is because of again a misinterpretation of Suri Siddhanta. Now what does Suri Siddhanta say? Let us understand that first and then understand where the mistake is happening. Siddhanta says that there we assume like how we have a Greenwich Meridian today passing through the modern geography where centralized Britain is made center or UK is made center and we created a green we didn't name there. Likewise in those days we have a great Greenwich Meridian which is mentioned. We have a Meridian passing through Bharat. So which is mentioned in Surya Siddhanta that this passes through. A Meridian that passes through Lanka and North Pole will also hold the kingdoms of Kurukshetra, Rohtak and Avanti. So Avanti and Kurukshetras are lying on the Meridian that passes through North Pole and Lanka is mentioned OK. This is mentioned in one part of Suri Siddhanta and some other parts of Suri Siddhanta. It is also mentioned that Lanka is on the center part of the earth, That is on the equator of the earth approximately, which means you have the longitude, you have the latitude. So now you try to recreate a Meridian passing through the North Pole and passing through Rohatak or Kurukshetra or Avanti, which is today's Ujjain. You try to do a line and extend it and see whether it passes through Sri Lanka or not. It doesn't pass through Sri Lanka and also we know that Sri Lanka doesn't lie on the equator. That is the reason most of us get confused that OK so as the Meridian doesn't pass through Lanka as Sri Lanka also doesn't pass through equator. Today Sri Lanka is not Rahul Lanka is the immediate conclusion what many of us get confused and come to. But let us understand the realities. Earlier I told you that there is a whole geography mentioned in Valmiki Ramayan. Yes. Which means Supriva has told to ram Supriva in the in the process of sending his teams to all the four directions, he explains the whole geography. So which means they have the recorded records of the entire geography of those days. Supriva knows, which means Valmiki knows that as well. That's why he has embedded it into it. OK, right. Which also proves that these people have the knowledge on navigation. They have the knowledge on navigation. Yeah, which means called GPS. GPS in present years. Yes, you may call it GPS is a little more sophisticated, but at least they have some knowledge of sailing travelled across is there, which also means when they know the navigation, which also gives us a hint that they know the knowledge of magnetism, which means they have used some elements of magnets or compass like things they have used it. That's how the recording of this entire geography is made. Now even today, if you keep a compass and keep travelling to north, north, north, north, north, do you reach the North Mall of India, north north of the world? Sorry, do you reach the North Pole of the world? You don't reach to the North Pole of the world. You reach to the magnetic North Pole of the world. You don't reach to the North Pole. So that is where most of our researchers get confused. They literally take today's North Pole and try to put it into siddhanta instead. They should have taken the geomagnetic North Pole and put it into Suri Siddhanta. Now, now more or less suppose there again the date dates again there is a lot of clash. As of now I go more with Ramayana happening around around 12,200 BCE approximately of that there are other theories also saying around 5000 BCE, 12,000 BCE theory is there. There is a 10,000 BCE theory is also there. So for example, I'll take which I am more inclined to is around 12,000 BCE. If I take that and now try to recreate using the paleomagnetism where this geomagnetic fields could have been around 12200 BCE, those magnetic fields doesn't change much. Even today is hardly around a degree or a degree and a half, that's all. So more or less even if you take today also you will get almost similar data. Now put geomagnetic North Pole instead of the North Pole and then draw the Meridian. It passes through Rohtak. It passes through Kurukshetra. It passes through Avanti. OK. OK, I am not very sure if I have used the word Kishkinda instead of Kurukshetra before. Kindly excuse me. It is Kurukshetra, Rohatak and Avanti. OK, so it has to pass through the magnetic North Pole passes through Kurukshetra, Rohatak and Avanti and Lanka. Exactly. And the magnetic equator of the earth Magnetic equator of the earth not the geographical equator. Magnetic equator of the earth passes through Sri Lanka. So Suri Siddhanta is correct, Meridian is passing through Lanka, Magnetic equator is also passing through Lanka. That is today's Sri Lanka. It is only we interpreting it to the geographical North Pole and geographical equator instead of putting in the values of the geomagnetic equator and geomagnetic pulse. If I can share a video, we can share my screen. I have those data which I got it verified with the National Research Institute, Geophysics Research Institute also. So that is good. Now you understood the point, right? So. Putting the geographical North Pole and instead of putting the geographical equator into Sureshita, understand that we have our ancestors have the knowledge of navigation which means they also have the knowledge of magnetism. They might have used some kind of magnet or compass to record all these stuffs. And thus they have the knowledge of compass and magnetism. The geomagnetic North Pole should be considered rather than consider the geographical North Pole. When you consider the geomagnetic North Pole, all the values of Surya Siddhanta will tally when it comes to the location of Lanka is concerned. OK. And Mr. Bala, it was also believed because we consider the, you know, the things that we have right now. It was also believed that there was number water between India and Lanka. So how can we? Say, because there is some you're raising right? Good point also. This question is also very much I guess relevant with Ram Sethu also. Ram Sethu significance also. So I want you to put light on this part also. I'm very happy that Bhavana has done good amount of research before taking this interview. So that is good. You need to put all these questions so that we can try answering all those. See yes, when you go back in time, when you go back in time. So water levels might have been much lesser so and so there is no water or there might have been no water between India, the modern Bharat and Sri Lanka. They should have been completely a land mass. So when there is completely a land mass and there is no water, there is no question of building the bridge itself. And thus today's and thus today's Sri Lanka is not Ravan Lanka is one of the argument what we are listening to? OK, OK now, now let us try to decode it. Let us try to decode it. Let us see the facts and where the confusions are happening. Let us see all the facts. Coming to the facts, yes, Once Upon a time there was land between India and Sri Lanka, no doubt about it. No doubt about it that between India and Sri Lanka there was land Once Upon a time, OK. And and if you see, if you see, you know about the complete continental drift theory, right? So even at that time, India and Sri Lanka were always attached. The whole plate is moving together. So whole plate is moving together. And it's also confirms that there is land between India and Sri Lanka, no doubt about it. And I'm not conflicting on that. OK, now let now let us understand when there was, when there was land and why the water has come here. OK, now we need to understand both scientifically and what is mentioned in Valmiki Ramayana, in Valmiki Ramayana. Now let us decode what is there in the Valmiki Ramayana. Valmiki Ramayana, like I said before, Valmiki is trying to embed what all knowledge he has or in those times the people have had, he is trying to incorporate into the story of Ram and he is trying to tell explicitly to the reader, to the consumer of Ramayana, what are the what is the history in the in the process he tells the history of Ram also, right? He tells the history of the first instance come in Balakanda in Balakanda where there is a king called Sagar Sagar who is the ancestor of Ram, many generations before Ram there is a king called Sagar. So and he was doing some yeddyya. What yeddyya we don't he's doing some Aishwarya yagya. For what purpose he's doing it is more politically told. So we can't deport exactly what for what exactly for he's doing that Aishwarya yagya, whatever it could be. But in the process of doing Yagya, it is very clearly mentioned that Sagar made his children not followers or citizens that the world at many places this is supposed to be. He dug up the world in many places. And in Balakanda it is very clearly mentioned that he has dug up the world in many places and there are places especially there is one place where it is having relation to water also. But in this Balakanda, whether that water connected digging up our place is he's referring to the land between India and Sri Lanka or not is not clearly mentioned in Bharathanda. OK. But there is a mention about digging up and there are places related to water extension because of the digging is also mentioned in Bhakta. So this is the reference number one. Now the reference number 2. Reference number 2 comes in Sundarakanda when Hanuma is going to Lanka, passing the ocean waters, then Sagara that is sea Ocean is thinking to himself on the name of Sagara Ocean thinking to himself, he's thinking like this. I need to support this gentleman who is going on the duties of Ishwaku, Ishwaku Swami. So today I am present here in this place that is ocean is tell. I am present here. That means the water is present here because of the digging or extinction happened. I was extended to this region because of the digging happened by the Ishwaku family person that is Sagar. So reference number 2. Reference number 3. When in the same Sundarakanda, Mainaka mountains are speaking to Hanuma. Mainaka Mountains are speaking to Hanuma. This is what Mainaka is telling to Hanuma. Mainaka is telling. Oh Hanuma, I want you to take rest. I would help you to take rest because you're doing a heavy duty. So you're doing, you're in the process of helping Ishwakov's family and I am helping you because Saka, the ocean here wants me to help you. The ocean here wants me to help you because the presence of the ocean here is very much because of the Ishwaku family for whom you are serving today. The presence of water here has come because of the digging up happened by the Sagar, by the Sagar and the water got extended here. So the presence of water region is because of the digging. So reference number 3. So there is a digging happened in this region between India and Sri Lanka. Because of the digging, the water has come #3. Basically we are hum am jitney. Cheese is submerge right somewhere. It's called adha dura Gyan Adha dura knowledge. Can we say that this is the only reason that we are unable to interpretate? You know what? We are actually understanding these things. Exactly, exactly I want. I'll tell that point actually see, I'll give you a few more references and then I'll answer this question. OK, so let me answer. There are other only three known. Next comes the 4th reference. This comes in with the time. This comes in Udakanda after Vishna coming to Ram. So then Sugriva and Hanuma, both of them will be asking Vivishna. Vivishna, you tell us you if you have any idea. You tell us how should we cross this ocean. How? Should we cross with this entire army? How should we cross this ocean and reach Sri Lanka? Then in that context, Vibhishna will be repeating the same thing. See the the variable water is here because of the digging happened by the Ishwaku family itself. Ram's ancestor has dug it. Because of that, only water has come here. So you're going at the reference there. And after that, in the same with the Khandam Null and Ram's conversation also, again, the same difference has come because the Sagar has dug the waters here, the water has come here. So which means it is, see how many times Valmiki is repeating this? He's continuously repeating it because he wants, he's making sure that sometime down the line people should know the geography of this land, how the water has come. Now if we understand the area is being dug up and the water is not extended because of which the islands are formed on the dug up area, on the water being extend on that area, Ramasetu was built right now two things because it is dug up. If we consider again, if we consider the text, if it is dug up, then the depth should not much, it should be shallow waters. Of course, there should be no ocean here. There's no ocean they have dug up. So which means this including Ramasetu region and the region around Ramasetu to some extent that should be once if we consider it as land. And if it is dug up, the depth should be not very deep like in the ocean. It should be shallow. Exactly. Even today the water there is shallow. It is not very deep when compared to the other regions. OK. So here we can correlate with the fact that why it is not too much shallow there because earlier there was a whole land between Lanka and India and then this whole story came in and now we can correlate with the things that we see these days, right. There is further exciting thing. If there is land in between Once Upon a time it should have rivers also float from this area to the other area, right? There should be some rivers flowing right? If there is a whole land, there should be some rivers flowing from this area to other area. Yeah. I'm having this doubt as well. So, for which I had a recent visit to National Institute of Oceanography head offices in Goa, requested the scientists over there if they can share any light on that and I got the published paper which proves that there were the river channel there. There are river channels even today under the ocean bed which confirms that there was land in this region before, there were rivers flowing in this region before and the water got extended only because of the digging happened. And. Not only in Valmiki Ramayana, in other texts like Bhagavatam, in Mahabharata where Ramayana references has come, the reference of digging up this area is again and again explicitly total, OK. And now comes there's one more interesting thing here. So when in Mahabharata and in Bhagavatam, when these references come again that digging has happened and because of the water got extended and because of which this island Lanka has been formed. OK, in Mahabharata and Bhagavatam and in other texts like Purvagada, Lahari, Telugu etcetera, you get the references that there are multiple islands are being formed because of this digging happened. All of the multiple islands which are being formed, one is Sinhala, Deepam. OK. Today, Sri Lanka's major language is Sinhala. Alright. You got the reference and again here there is a chance of getting a confusion again. Oh Sri Lanka, then Sri Lanka, see Sidhala Dilipam, not Rahulan. This confusion starts coming. Ideally speaking, Sri Lanka even today is not one single island. Even today it is group of islands because of their close proximity. It is a very common thing that we consider it as a single island. Sri Lanka even today is group of islands. The whole of Jaffna is a separate island. It's a whole island, so. Many other islands there. So it is always a group of islands, even in the past, even now. So when you relate Sri Lanka, Sri Lanka is not one single island, it is Union of Islands. OK. OK, so that is very clearly told in Mahabharatham and Bhagavatam also when it comes to the digging of land here. When and I think which is very interesting now we if we come on to the scriptures either its Palmikis Ramayan or Mahabharat or Bhagavad Gita. See, I think every scripture has its own dating. So I want to know because in this context that we are talking today, Maharishi Walmiki's Ramayan is more contextual here. So can you give some light on this point also that what is the dating of Ramayana? OK. See, I'll tell you the dating of Ramayana, but at this point in time, because we have spoken about the Ramasetu region and the digging of this earth is all stuff happen. I just want to put a request through your channel to the Government of India, to the Ministry of Science and Technology, to the Ministry of Culture, to of course, our honourable Prime Minister of India. See, our scientists are working hard. I have seen them. I have seen the scientists in geophysics, National Geophysics Research Institute. I have seen our scientists in National Institute of Oceanography, so they have worked really good. Just one place where I felt that is required is just when the research is happening on this region of Ramastar instead of straight away jumping in and going only in the scientific ways. So science going along with the knowledge of what Walmiki has actually told, if we compare those two and go, we may get into much, much bigger and results. So that is one phase it is happening. But I think there is a scope for improvement is what I feel. And through you I want to put a request in this context. And coming back to your point when this Valmiki when Ramayana might have happened is the question. So for this there are many ways of working the many people who have worked on dating of Ramayana to some level. Even I have worked on dating of Ramayana because I have to work on various if I am taking the paleomagnetism data on to which dates have to refer to. So I have to refer to the date dating of Ramayana also. So on an overall I can say there are two people who have worked explicitly on dating of Ramayana. So in though I have worked on dating of Ramayana, the amount of work on dating of the subject is very little. What I have done OK. So the two two people whom I can strongly refer to is Pushkar Bhatnakar and Nilesh Oak. These are the two people who have worked very much on dating of Ramayana. So in these two when it comes to the war, when did war happened? So that point if it comes, Pushkar Bhatnakar has suggested around 5076 BCE, approximately more or less at that day BC, which means we had two more thousand years after the the current this thing, see maybe 7000 years back is what Pushkar Bhadnakar says. Whereas Nina Chokji says it might have happened around 12,208 BC. The war might have happened 12,200 and eight 12,209 BC. Whatever happened, If you add again 2000 years of what the current era, which means around 14000 years back is what Ramayana happened. These are the two major arguments. There are many other arguments also, but everything is more or less a subsidiary of these two arguments. Among these two, I am more tilted towards Nilesh Obji's work for the reason that is 1200 BC is what I am more tilted towards for the reason for the reason in Sundarakanda. When Hanuma flies off, Hanuma reaches to Ravana Lanka that is today Sri Lanka. For the first time he notices 4 tusked elephants. It filled with four tusks, not 4 tusks, and he cites it in a surprising way, which means seeing a four tasked elephant is a rare sighting is according to We can understand that much from the context. First of all, for the modern people, for the viewers, are there any elephants having four tasks? Yes there are. No, there were there were. Today we do not. Have not in present times. Not in present times. That is why we get reduced. In the past there were 4 tasked elephants. Those are called Gomphotus. Those were called Gomfathias and fossils of Gomfathias are available in different museums across the world. So if you are in Indonesia, if you are in American History Museum also, all this stuff is that now, Now what are so sighting of these gomphatiyas? The fortress elephant is a rare sighting of Hanuma, which means it also gives us a hint that Ramayana might have happened during the period of these gomphatiyas extinction, right, Because of which it is a rare sighting. So, so if if you if you are able to date when this extinction of bomb years happened, if you are able to make it from the available fossils across the world using periodicology and then you map it with these two dates of Pushkar, Bhatna, Karji and Nili sobs. Then you try to map it according to the current data available across the world. Gomfathias have got were there from millions of years before and they got an exchange around 10,000 BC. Around 10,000 BC Gomfathias got extent. So sighting of Gomfathiya should have happened before 10,000 BCE only. OK. Hanuma has sighted Gomfathiya which means he should have cited before 10,000 BC only. Whereas Pushkar Batnaker's theory of 7000 years old of 5000 BC concept is falling other side of the coin. So the presence of Gomphatias might have not been there during 5000 BCE but during 12,000 BCE. Yes, it is going very much in line with the time of extinction of Gomtias and that is matching Nilesh Obji's date in both. And there's one more thing, one more, one more which I have worked to some extent is when Ram was fighting, fighting, fighting, fighting on one day he is stands, he doesn't sleep. He will be thinking. He just stood on the war battlefield and he was thinking about the war and then it is described like this in Valmikiraman seeing the condition of Agustya has come, Agustya Mahamani has come. It is referred as he has just come and he has just come and pointing Oram look at the rays of the raising sun at the horizon, at those rays of the raising sun at the horizon. And Orissa keeps narrating the greatness of sun to to, to give an end to to boost the energies of Ram as he was in the wars. Now you need to understand what is Agasya in a poetic way. He told Agasya has come and he spoke about the he pointed at raising sun and he told about Aditya Ruddin. The whole Aditya Ruddin is that part which comes. Which comes down. Yes, that is the way it comes. So Aditya then is all about the greatness of sun. So now what I do as an author, if you see, Valmiki Maharshi has taken this as an opportunity in embedding the celestial observations of those days and embedding the knowledge of the sun. So he want to give the knowledge of the sun. He want to embed the knowledge of the sun into Ramayanam. So he has used this situation very well. Agustya has come. He's not a human being. It is the star in the sky. Agustya star In modern days, if you say what is Agustya called in the modern astronomy, it is called as Canapus. Canapus * S Canapus star has come and Auguste is pointing at the rays of the raising sun in the horizon which means it should have happened in the early morning skies where Canopus Augusta is also visible on the on the on the skies and raising sunrise also should be happening at the same time. So both should be visible. Now if you see Pushkar Bhatnakar these dates and Neelesh of these dates, both of the dates 5000 BCE and 12,000 BCE, both the dates Canopus is on the in the sky and the raising is happening. But in Pushkar Bhatnagar these dates Canopus is not just come, Agastha has not come just come. Agastha was dead throughout. Agastha coming in is doesn't happen at that time. But when you compare to Nilesh of these dates, Agastha coming and then talking about the raising sun happens in the early morning time. So that is one of the reason. These are the two reasons what Gomtathiya's reason and this reason is what which makes me more tilted towards Nileshog's dating and which comes to my conclusion. What I go with is probably 12,000 BCE, 12,200 BCE. 12,200 BCE have been an approximate dating of the Ramayana when Valmiki, Ram, Hanuma, Sita Devi, Vibhishna, Angada. All these living is maybe around 12,200 BCE. I think there was a beautiful conversation with you, Mr. Bala, and I think Mujhe Lagtai, my reviewers, and they have got the right amount of knowledge on the, you know, fact that the Lanka is actually Ravan's Lanka. Thank you very much for being with us. Thanks. Thanks a lot. It's all blessings of mine, that's all.